My K11 was terrible. I could not use the right side so casually because I was already depending on the right side to connect to the bottom. But white might have been lost already anyway. For example |15.h716.j917.g918.i1119.f1120.h1321.f1422.g19
Black M10 was much better than I realized. I seem to remember Maciej would make this sort of move.
Maybe |9.p15 was better. After 10.o1311.i16 white's connection to the bottom is much stronger, and if for example 10.m1011.p10 white looks strong on the right.
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2021-03-26 at 21:20,
tsulej
said:
Just checked what TwixtBot thinks about it.
After |9.p15 there is a winning strategy for black, but
After playing more looks like |5.h14 could be the best choice at the earliest stage (TB says, there is always winning strategy for white)
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2021-03-27 at 19:48,
cdg
said:
Maybe k11 was a bit local. I remember finding the chain of 3 stones in 3+1 bridges awkward to get across (M10 was a 'spread out' move). Move 19.e10 was handy because it connects to the right and left - now j18 and n16 are connected (e.g. 21.l1722.l1923.m1924.n2025.o2026.p21 or 21.m1622.l1723.k1524.m19 gets a connection. Move e10 is sneaky type of idea worth remembering - it probably isn't a bot type move but can catch players out as it looks benign (e.g. 21.f1722.f1623.e1524.e1425.d1326.d1227.c11)
On
2021-03-27 at 19:58,
cdg
said:
I meant "Move 18.q19 was handy" (excuse my first post - you can't edit posted posts it seems).
On
2021-03-27 at 22:32,
Peyrol
said:
That is correct, you cannot edit later. I recommend you use the vertical bar to indicate the start of a variation from the main game, use preview, and click everything.
My K11 was terrible. I could not use the right side so casually because I was already depending on the right side to connect to the bottom. But white might have been lost already anyway. For example |15.h7 16.j9 17.g9 18.i11 19.f11 20.h13 21.f14 22.g19
Black M10 was much better than I realized. I seem to remember Maciej would make this sort of move.
Maybe |9.p15 was better. After 10.o13 11.i16 white's connection to the bottom is much stronger, and if for example 10.m10 11.p10 white looks strong on the right.
After |9.p15 there is a winning strategy for black, but
|9.i16 10.h19 11.m16 12.p17 13.k17
or
|9.m16 10.k15 11.i16 12.m10 13.r10 14.p17 15.k11 16.h16 17.g15 18.j17 19.f17
leads to white adventage
After playing more looks like |5.h14 could be the best choice at the earliest stage (TB says, there is always winning strategy for white)
What does the bot say about |9.i16 10.i20 11.m16 12.o19 13.o21 14.p17 15.n19 16.k13 17.k11 18.j15 19.h14 20.i17 21.h18 22.g19
Also please, what is the winning line for black after |9.p15 ?
|9.p15 10.o18 11.p19 12.o13 13.q13 14.p11 15.r11 16.q9 17.s9 18.r5 19.q8 20.p6 21.o9 22.m8 23.m10 24.k9
Every strategies I've seen were about building strength for blacks at the top of the board by threating white on the right side
Regarding the |9.i16, still black (97% winning chance):
|9.i16 10.i20 11.m16 12.o19 13.o21 14.p17 15.n19 16.k13 17.k11 18.j15 19.h14 20.i17 21.h18 22.g19 23.j17 24.k16 25.f19 26.e20
Black always closes at k16 or h19
|9.p15 10.o18 11.t15 12.o13 13.t10 14.s8 15.u7 16.v7 17.t9 18.t6 19.r8 20.t13 21.s12 22.u15 23.r14 24.q19 25.t19 26.s16 27.f17
If we start with f17, TB backs to t10 soon:
|9.p15 10.o18 11.t15 12.o13 13.f17 14.g15 15.e14 16.h17 17.e16 18.f12 19.d11 20.g10 21.t10
possible continuation leads to the same position as in the first variant:
22.t13 23.s12 24.u15 25.r14 26.q19 27.t19 28.s16
|9.p15 10.o18 11.t15 12.o13 13.t11 14.s13 15.u13 16.s17 17.u18 18.v18 19.s18 20.r19 21.r20 22.t19 23.q18 24.r15
|9.p15 10.o18 11.t15 12.o13 13.t11 14.s13 15.u13 16.s17 17.u18 18.v18 19.s18 20.t19 21.r16 22.r20 23.p19 24.p20 25.q21 26.q22