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On 2019-06-05 at 00:18,
twixter
said:
I don't think |
38.o17
would have worked either:
39.n10
40.h18
41.j16
42.j19
43.l17
44.l20
45.n18
46.o20
47.q20
48.q21
49.o19
50.m19
51.r22
Maybe I should have played |
18.f7
19.g6
20.e9
21.h8
22.g10
23.i10
24.i11
On 2019-06-05 at 12:27,
Alan Hensel
said:
|
38.o17
39.n10
40.h18
41.j16
42.j19
43.l17
44.l20
then
45.n18
On 2019-06-05 at 12:34,
twixter
said:
Woah, I believe you're right. So maybe white should have played |
37.o16
first followed by white O12 later
On 2019-06-05 at 12:46,
Alan Hensel
said:
I mis-edited. I meant |
38.o17
39.n10
40.h18
41.j16
42.j19
43.l17
44.l20
45.n18
then
46.n19
On 2019-06-05 at 12:50,
Alan Hensel
said:
But if |
37.o16
, isn't the advantage still Black's?
38.s14
39.o11
40.m11
, for example.
On 2019-06-05 at 13:55,
twixter
said:
|
37.o16
38.s14
39.o12
not O11.
On 2019-06-05 at 14:20,
Alan Hensel
said:
Well, dang. That o11 peg is evil.
On 2019-06-05 at 14:20,
Alan Hensel
said:
I mean o12.
On 2019-06-05 at 19:44,
passenger
said:
Great game David! Thank you. I was affraid of
28.i16
actually. We would end up probably in something like:
28.i16
29.i14
30.g17
31.j16
32.k17
33.l17
34.m18
35.n18
36.o19
37.p19
38.q20
39.u19
40.r18
41.t17
42.r16
43.s15
44.r5
and then o12 wouldn't be evil anymore.Although I'm not sure if I'm not missing something.
On 2019-06-06 at 01:41,
twixter
said:
How about |
28.i16
29.i14
30.g17
31.p17
and now
32.j9
33.s6
34.s14
35.j16
36.m11
37.l9
38.n9
39.m7
40.l4
41.k8
or
32.k15
33.r13
34.r5
35.l9
36.n9
37.m12
38.o11
39.o13
40.o17
41.u12
42.q18
43.t18
44.o12
45.t5
On 2019-06-06 at 17:27,
twixter
said:
There;s a flaw in that first branch of mine:
|
28.i16
29.i14
30.g17
31.p17
32.j9
33.s6
34.s14
35.j16
black can play
36.o17
37.k18
38.n9
and now it looks like white's best shot is
39.m10
40.m11
41.l8
42.l7
43.k8
44.k9
45.i10
46.l10
with a draw.
But there is also a flaw in your lline:
|
28.i16
29.i14
30.g17
31.j16
32.k17
33.l17
34.m18
35.n18
36.o19
37.p19
38.q20
39.u19
40.r18
41.t17
42.r16
43.s16
and now if
44.p17
45.u12
white wins on the right side. Or
44.r5
45.u12
46.t6
47.k10
48.p17
49.o11
I still conclude that my
18.G6
was losing whereas |
18.f7
was winning for black.
On 2019-06-06 at 17:44,
passenger
said:
What about:
18.f7
19.g6
20.e9
21.h8
22.g10
23.k11
Aren't we basically at the same point as after
21.k11
?
On 2019-06-07 at 22:12,
twixter
said:
Regarding |
18.f7
, yes that is the line I looked at in the very first post here. But I was wrong and you are right. So how about
19.g6
20.h19
21.h17
22.j18
23.d19
24.d14
25.f18
26.g9
27.d9
28.e11
On 2019-06-10 at 09:39,
passenger
said:
What about this then?
|
18.f7
19.g6
20.h19
21.h17
22.j18
23.d19
24.d14
25.f18
26.g9
27.g11
28.e10
29.i10
30.i8
31.k9
32.n5
33.m8
34.l6
35.p7
36.n9
37.o16
On 2019-06-11 at 22:40,
twixter
said:
|
18.f7
19.g6
I shouldn't have switched to the bottom of the board so soon.
20.g9
would force white to commit to
21.g11
, and black might still be able to make a threat on the bottom, although I'm not sure how. So please, let's look at this branch instead.
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.o3
27.m8
28.s3
29.l6
30.l2
31.j3
32.k3
33.k1
34.j5
35.m4
36.n3
37.l3
38.l4
What do you think?
Warning: When I clicked on
33.k1
in the move list, I got an error "illegal spot" but if I click on the hole at k1 instead, the move works, then I can continue clicking on the move list. I will inform Alan. Do you experience the same problem?
On 2019-06-12 at 01:04,
twixter
said:
Whoops, |
18.f7
19.g6
20.g9
21.g11
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.o3
27.m8
28.s3
29.m4
So I back up:
26.n4
how's that?
On 2019-06-20 at 14:46,
twixter
said:
Here's a variation in my F7 line which looks crucial.
|
18.f7
19.g6
20.g9
21.g11
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.n4
27.r4
28.n9
29.m8
30.p5
31.o16
32.s14
33.o12
34.r6
35.s6
36.m11
37.n14
38.p11
39.p10
40.q9
41.q8
42.r7
43.p6
and now, under standard rules,
44.q7
45.q5
would lead to a draw, but since this game is PP,
44.q5
wins for black. White could have tried something besides R4, but it looks like black still wins.
Just to reiterate,
21.d9
does not work because of
22.h19
23.h17
24.j18
25.d19
26.d14
27.f18
28.e11
and then white could play
29.g11
with essentially the same variation as above.
On 2019-06-23 at 20:19,
passenger
said:
Sorry, didn't have time to look at it for quite some time. Just from the top of my head, what about this:
18.f7
19.g6
20.g9
21.g11
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.n4
27.l7
28.l5
29.p5
On 2019-06-24 at 01:52,
twixter
said:
You're probably right. I found a different flaw with N4 myself. But I missed something in the N5 line. You provided this line earlier:
|
18.f7
19.g6
20.h19
21.h17
22.j18
23.d19
24.d14
25.f18
26.g9
27.g11
28.e10
29.i10
30.i8
31.k9
32.n5
33.m8
with a white win.
But with my H4 improvement, I don't need to get fancy with N4.
20.g9
21.g11
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.n5
27.m8
28.r5
29.l6
30.l4
On 2019-06-24 at 06:31,
MisterCat
said:
38.m11
39.o16
40.s14
41.n14
42.p11
43.p10
44.q9
45.q8
46.q6
47.s6
48.r6
(trying to draw)
49.r4
50.p9
51.s9
On 2019-06-24 at 06:33,
MisterCat
said:
(above line not mine, but kindly explained by D. Bush upon my request) (meow)
On 2019-06-28 at 13:46,
passenger
said:
Wouldn't that bring us to the same place as originally?
|
18.f7
19.g6
20.g9
21.g11
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.n5
27.l7
28.l4
29.p7
On 2019-06-29 at 13:10,
twixter
said:
How about |
18.f7
19.g6
20.g9
21.g11
22.e10
23.i10
24.h4
25.k9
26.n5
27.l7
28.l4
29.p7
30.n9
31.o16
32.s14
33.o12
34.n14
35.m11
36.n10
37.o10
38.p9
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Maybe I should have played |18.f7 19.g6 20.e9 21.h8 22.g10 23.i10 24.i11
28.i16 29.i14 30.g17 31.j16 32.k17 33.l17 34.m18 35.n18 36.o19 37.p19 38.q20 39.u19 40.r18 41.t17 42.r16 43.s15 44.r5
and then o12 wouldn't be evil anymore.Although I'm not sure if I'm not missing something.
32.j9 33.s6 34.s14 35.j16 36.m11 37.l9 38.n9 39.m7 40.l4 41.k8 or
32.k15 33.r13 34.r5 35.l9 36.n9 37.m12 38.o11 39.o13 40.o17 41.u12 42.q18 43.t18 44.o12 45.t5
|28.i16 29.i14 30.g17 31.p17 32.j9 33.s6 34.s14 35.j16 black can play 36.o17 37.k18 38.n9 and now it looks like white's best shot is 39.m10 40.m11 41.l8 42.l7 43.k8 44.k9 45.i10 46.l10 with a draw.
But there is also a flaw in your lline:
|28.i16 29.i14 30.g17 31.j16 32.k17 33.l17 34.m18 35.n18 36.o19 37.p19 38.q20 39.u19 40.r18 41.t17 42.r16 43.s16 and now if 44.p17 45.u12 white wins on the right side. Or 44.r5 45.u12 46.t6 47.k10 48.p17 49.o11
I still conclude that my 18.G6 was losing whereas |18.f7 was winning for black.
Aren't we basically at the same point as after 21.k11?
|18.f7 19.g6 20.h19 21.h17 22.j18 23.d19 24.d14 25.f18 26.g9 27.g11 28.e10 29.i10 30.i8 31.k9 32.n5 33.m8 34.l6 35.p7 36.n9 37.o16
Warning: When I clicked on 33.k1 in the move list, I got an error "illegal spot" but if I click on the hole at k1 instead, the move works, then I can continue clicking on the move list. I will inform Alan. Do you experience the same problem?
So I back up: 26.n4 how's that?
|18.f7 19.g6 20.g9 21.g11 22.e10 23.i10 24.h4 25.k9 26.n4 27.r4 28.n9 29.m8 30.p5 31.o16 32.s14 33.o12 34.r6 35.s6 36.m11 37.n14 38.p11 39.p10 40.q9 41.q8 42.r7 43.p6 and now, under standard rules, 44.q7 45.q5 would lead to a draw, but since this game is PP, 44.q5 wins for black. White could have tried something besides R4, but it looks like black still wins.
Just to reiterate, 21.d9 does not work because of 22.h19 23.h17 24.j18 25.d19 26.d14 27.f18 28.e11 and then white could play 29.g11 with essentially the same variation as above.
18.f7 19.g6 20.g9 21.g11 22.e10 23.i10 24.h4 25.k9 26.n4 27.l7 28.l5 29.p5
|18.f7 19.g6 20.h19 21.h17 22.j18 23.d19 24.d14 25.f18 26.g9 27.g11 28.e10 29.i10 30.i8 31.k9 32.n5 33.m8 with a white win.
But with my H4 improvement, I don't need to get fancy with N4.
20.g9 21.g11 22.e10 23.i10 24.h4 25.k9 26.n5 27.m8 28.r5 29.l6 30.l4
|18.f7 19.g6 20.g9 21.g11 22.e10 23.i10 24.h4 25.k9 26.n5 27.l7 28.l4 29.p7